Posted by: Kingsguru21 | April 29, 2009

The Jeremy Tyler debate continues to rage

Because I like to read, and I love debating real issue’s (not phony bullshit like whether a kid belongs on an AAU team or not), this is something near & dear to my heart.

First, a big ass hat tip to Henry Abbott of True Hoop and Sactown Royalty poster LP Kings fan for posting lots of good info to get me centered on the debate.

First, people soured on Brandon Jennings. That is, unless it was the NBA world. They thought it would help Jennings mature some by not being around kids and eventually skipping to the NBA. (I suspect it also had to do something with grades as well.)

AAU ball is a big business in this country. It’s not really about developing quality young men with basketball talent. It’s just about money. So whenever a potential source of money skips, it shocks the foundation. Dick Vitale of course called Jeremy Tyler an idiot. (A real idiot listens to Vitale on draft day.)

Let me share something I was going to make known I felt to be strongly true, but has become a gaping issue in this whole debate of Tyler leaving High School before he’s graduated (how important is a High School degree anyway?). Does Jeremy Tyler benefit from playing horseshit AAU ball, or does he benefit playing against grown men sometimes 10 years older than him? Does he benefit by living in a different culture at a young age? (How much did that hurt Kobe Bryant?) I say no. If it does, that’s the risk he’s taking. But, it’s his risk. Not ours. Applaud the kid.

That’s not what disgusts me. Not even close. It’s things such as this:

“Around the same time [agents were offering money], coaches at Louisville and other schools began reviewing Jeremy’s transcripts. They looked for ways to get him into college next fall, a full year ahead of schedule for a student in the class of 2010. “They went through his grades and wanted to help set up a program with online courses and other things,” James Tyler said. “These schools have their ways of getting things done. They were saying, ‘Let’s see how we can get him a year early.'” (Louisville declined to comment, citing NCAA recruiting rules.)

Umm, what? You’ve gotta be shitting me. You mean to tell me that going to an AAU school is the equivalent of getting a GED degree anyway? Umm, okay. Oh yeah, Jeremy, what a big risk taker you are living in a different culture at 17 and trying to play against grown professional men whom in many cases have been playing professionally since you were a little child. Daring on Tyler’s part even. The problem isn’t that Jeremy Tyler is doing something different. The problem here, as most things, the American mainstream hasn’t approved of it yet. Stupid kids daring to dream.

This is what really killed me though:

But Fraschilla added that he was certain Tyler was not going to Europe for the money. He said he could easily earn $200,000 in the United States.

“He could pretty much get that money illegally, either via a college or an agent, willing to funnel his family the money,” Fraschilla said. “I’m hoping this is a savvy move to really improve his game.”

Look I’m not going to pretend that I’m a social conscience, or that I know everything. I don’t. This is where I draw the line.

On one hand, you have a kid being paid legitmate money to ply a trade that is common for other players his age in other countries to pursue. But, because those kids, like Anderson Varejao, Manu Ginobili, Peja Stojakovic, Tony Parker, Ricky Rubio aren’t Americans, they never had a shot at playing in AAU ball.

This is about money. Worse, it’s about how legitmate AAU & NCAA is in developing talent. There has always been arguments by people like me (I never thought Garnett or Bryant coming out early was that big of a deal when it happened, but of course, I was only 15 when KG did it) that there is a level of exposure that the NCAA doesn’t prepare it’s players to be NBA players.

A damning quote from one NBA GM:

An N.B.A. executive who also couldn’t be named because of the risk of being fined:

“In reality, we pretty much know who the special players are by the time they’re 18. So am I going to get better by playing against guys my own age, with all the time restrictions on practice? Or go to Europe and play against men? I can practice with a professional coach and I can practice 8 hours a day.

“For that young player, if he’s giving himself two years to get ready for the draft, you can obviously make the case for (Europe) to be more beneficial.”

Umm, yeah, I love this idea that the NCAA develops players into stars. Almost as much as I love the point the NCAA makes about how players who play at the collegiate level go pro in just about anything other than Professional sports. That’s a given.

What kills me is a kid, legally being paid to ply his own trade with his own father’s approval, and with an uncle’s help, is being killed because the system has taken an implicit shot.

This is the other NBA GM who went a step further:

Yet another N.B.A. executive, who yet again could not be named:

“I don’t like putting race in it, but it’s amazing how the rules are made prohibiting all these black kids from going to the draft. In hockey and baseball they can turn pro. I’m trying to figure out why every time it can benefit these young black kids going pro they put rules in. If the kid is good enough, he should be able to go. Put in a rule that makes kids who go to school stay for two or three years. I have no problem with that. But this all comes from kids not being able to come out of high school.”

Yep. If these kids were white, the “white” establishment wouldn’t care. It wouldn’t matter to them. I like the idea though. Either the kid stays in school for two or three years, or the kid fails in the pro’s out of High School (it’s not like teams are going to take kids in the draft who declare who they don’t think will work for them).

There are other options out there. David Stern had a quote that the NBA is neutral about this issue. It should be. It’s not the NBA’s job to be the end result for paying your dues in the AAU, or NCAA leagues. It should be about the best basketball players playing the best basketball in the world. If only many of these basketball players weren’t just dumb black kids, it would be all good. Unless they’re LeBron James or Magic Johnson, and then it’s okay. Hypocritical, racist, oxymoronic, and dumb. Maybe even with a well rounded shade of xenophobia that Europeans could teach the game better at a professional level. And you know what? When Jeremy Tyler succeeds, just like Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett and Tracy McGrady and Rashard Lewis and Amare Stoudemire and LeBron James and Josh Smith and Dwight Howard and Monta Ellis did, maybe some of those idiot’s will shutup and get the real message. It’s about basketball, stupid! Not Social euthanasia……..



  1. I’m not really sure what your point is in this post but this is a bad move and sends the wrong message…especially if Jeremy Tyler actually succeeds. But with the way the European system works, the odds of him having a successful 2yrs over there are definitely stacked against him. Going to Europe to play ball should be a last resort, not the first option.

    This isn’t about basketball at all. This is about the pimp Sonny Vaccaro (who for years made his money off the backs of kids like JT and who facilitated this move) using these kids to fuel his personal vendetta against the NCAA, and this is about money…and getting it right now. It’s a shame that getting an education has taken a backseat to getting paid.

    You and anyone else that thinks this is a good idea needs their heads examined. Sure there are racial implications to the early entry rule in the NBA, but I’m a black man in America and I think the system works. The rule was put in place to try and help kids succeed in the long run, to give them a better chance of having a solid pro career. Hedonism in basketball has led to failure so many times.

    Besides, the NCAA is a free hype machine for these kids. Brandon Jennings was basically forgotten about when he went to Italy. Imagine if he’d actually gone to Arizona. He could’ve been the first PG taken off the board. He’ll be lucky to be the 3rd or 4th PG taken now. The NCAA is the reason why guys like Blake Griffin, Steph Curry, Hasheem Thabeet, Ty Lawson & Tyler Hansbrough are all household names and future multi-millionaires. Playing college basketball didn’t hurt these kids at all.

    So for every Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Rashard Lewis, Amare Stoudamire, LeBron James, Josh Smith, Dwight Howard & Monta Ellis that you named, all exceptions to the rule…remember these kids:

    Jackie, Butler, Korleone Young, Jonathan Bender, Leon Smith, Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, DeSagana Diop, Ousmane Cisse, Ndudi Ebi, James Lang, Shaun Livingston, Robert Swift, Sebastian Telfair, Dorrell Wright, Martell Webster, Gerald Green, Andray Blatche & Amir Johnson. Most of these guys are still in the league, a couple never played a minute, and in spite of the fact that they got paid they all have one thing in common. They’re all BUSTS!!

    • First, thanks for reading BC, whoever you are.

      Second, you missed my whole point about Jeremy Tyler. Like, completely.

      Third, I pointed out why I thought there was hypocrisy. I’m well aware of Sonny Vaccaro and his vendetta against the NCAA. This had nothing to do with Sonny Vaccaro. It has everything to do with the hypocritical idea that the NCAA makes players into NBA stars. It’s simply not true. The evidence says this is not true. I even brought out the clip from the “anonymous” NBA GM that pointed out “we know who the stars are by the time they’re 18”. And, they do. Sure the best players can no longer come from High School. Which means that either the NBA will make a dumb rule (like raising the age limit WHICH is a dumb rule), or it will continue the current dumb rule of making players be 19 before they enter.

      Personally, Henry Abbott said this, and a couple other people like Dan Wetzel who did some background on this for Yahoo sports (if you read through all the links which I’m sure you did not) said it as well, is that if a kid is good to jump from HS, then so be it. The rule should be that a player GOING to college should stay there for at least 2 years. This has never been, and probably won’t be as long the current system remains intact, about the players or getting an education. It is simply about the money it brings for the AAU and NCAA programs. That is hypocritical. The end.

  2. Peace…

  3. B.C., the one thing that strikes me in your rebuttal to pookey’s post is the attempt to force someone to get an education.

    You can’t throw a blanket over every 18 year old (and yes, 17 year old) kid in America and say what is the best route for them to take to achieve their goals.

    And to make your comparison of succesful versus busts among high school entries in the NBA relevant, I think you’d have to do a similar comparison amongst players who completed some portion of their college careers. Do you not think there would be a similary long list of booms/busts?

    Needless to say, I agree 100% with Pookey here.

    • That bothers me too Otis. After all, if a kid can forego getting an education by joining the Armed Services, who has a problem with that? Nobody did in my case. In fact, all I got was praise for it. But a kid wants to jump to the NBA, and that is hurting the NBA? I think not.

      Thanks for reading, as always.

  4. OK, so to rebut both of you guys who are obviously friends since Pookey referred to “Thurman Munson’s Ghost” by his real name of Otis. First, to Pookey…

    No the NCAA doesn’t make players into NBA stars, players make themselves into stars through hard work. But in order to be considered a “star” in any sport, you need hype, you need the media perpetuating that hype, and you need a platform or in this case a system or an organization to help mold, shape and build that personna based on individual performance. Two perfect examples are Tim Tebow and Tyler Hansbrough, the NCAA’s two most recent “golden boys”. The NCAA hype machine has turned these 2 kids into stars, regardless of how they pan out on the pro level. This same hype machine is the very reason why they’ll at least make it into the professional ranks, drafted high, and be given a chance to try and duplicate their collegiate success. They won’t be going pro based on potential, they’ve shown that they can compete against elite competition.

    So you can’t completely discount college athletics. There is a lot to be said about the level of competition that these kids will face in college and the fact that from HS to college the athletes get bigger, faster and stronger. It does prepare them for success at the next level and it builds their confidence in their abilities and I don’t care what the so called contrary “evidence” says. Think about how much a year (or two) in college would’ve helped all those kids that I labeled as busts in my first comment. It wouldn’t “guarantee” success but from HS to college is a much easier transition than from HS to pro with the exception of the successful guys you named Pookey. It’s a proven fact that the average HS kid is simply not ready for that jump. Brandon Jennings isn’t lighting the Euroleague on fire and Jeremy Tyler won’t either. So don’t just rely on the so called experts or “talking heads” to shape your opinion, look at the realities of the situations of those that came before. Stop looking at the exceptions to the rule because it skews common sense.

    I’m not against a kid jumping from HS to the NBA if he’s truly ready, the problem is that every HS kid thinks they’re truly ready and they’re not so unfortunately a line has to be drawn somewhere because the failure rate is so high. Besides KG, Kobe, LeBron & Dwight no other HS kid has made a significant impact their first year in the league. Tmac, JO & Monta Ellis, it took them a few years to make an impact and the rest of those guys are barely doing anything at all.

    I don’t think imposing a football like rule of a mandatory 2yrs in college is the answer, but I’m ok with a 19yr old age limit. What you do in that year is your business but college certainly helped the games of Derrick Rose and OJ Mayo and it prepared them. Had they jumped straight from HS, I don’t think they would’ve been as ready to contribute right away and I’m almost certain that the coaches would’ve sat them most of that first year instead of giving them the ball. A kid jumping to the NBA out of HS isn’t hurting the NBA, it’s hurting the kid if he isn’t ready…regardless of the money he makes. Unfortunately, you aren’t thinking long term at all.

    And as far as money goes, everybody wants it. The players and the leagues. That’s not even a valid argument. Sure the NCAA makes money off these kids, but in return these kids get EVERYTHING for free while they’re in college as opposed to the kid coming in who doesn’t play sports at all. He doesn’t get jack. It’s the same thing on the AAU circuit. Kids for the most part get free uniforms, shoes, gym bags, travel, and hotel accomodations from sponsors like the shoe companies, so I think it’s a fair trade. And yes, I did miss your point about Jeremy Tyler and I STILL don’t get it.

    To Thurman Munson’s Ghost AKA Otis…

    I’m not forcing anyone to get an education, but dropping out of HS to do anything — working at McDonald’s or playing pro ball — sends the wrong message. If he succeeds, what’s to stop a top ranked 8th grader from skipping HS altogether and going to Europe for 5 years? It’s not like Jeremy Tyler was a bad student, from what I’ve read the kid is pretty smart. Finishing his SR year wasn’t going to hurt him. The pro’s aren’t going anywhere. And making a comparison between HS busts and collegiate busts is irrelevant to this particular argument because Jeremy Tyler is in HS, not college.

    • It sends the wrong message….to whom? The Jeremy Tyler’s of the world owe it to themselves to make the right decision for themselves. It may well not be the decision I would want my child to make, but I’m not Jeremy Tyler’s father.

      And what’s to stop a top ranked 8th grader from jumping? Well, I would hope his parents would do that, but no matter what – it is the right of the child and his family to make what they feel is the best decision.

      And you brought up the number of high school products that went bust in the league. My point is that there are going to be busts, whether the guy spends his teens in Europe or spends four years playing at UNC.

    • BC: The big issue I have here is expecting Jeremy Tyler to carry the torch for kids (younger) jumping into Europe. If an 8th grader wanted to to do this, I’d be curious as to why. I would criticize. Tyler is 17; not 14. There is a big difference there. Tyler has said he wants to improve his game, and feels Europe is the best way to do that.

      A HS education is no better than getting a GED. If the kid wants to skip the senior dance and have sex with European women, I can’t blame him. In fact, I wish I could have done so at that age. Oh well.

      I’ve read quite a few mock drafts (Draft Express and NBA, one on Ridiculous Upside), and he is ranked is at 26th by both DX & He is ranked 25th on RU’s first mock draft. There is not much of a chance he will get drafted higher than that, because that means a 2 year guarantee. I doubt there will be many teams that will want to give Hansbrough. He doesn’t suck to be sure; I wish I could be that good. It’s just that, Hansbrough was a star by playing in one of the biggest programs in the NCAA. He’s just not going to be a star at the NBA level.

      The last point I’ll make about the HS players is this. Every bust you’ve mentioned except Bender (who I’ll talk about in a minute) was drafted very low. Ndubi Ebi, Korleone Young (2nd round), Leon Smith (last pick of the 1st round in 99 for San Antonio, and I don’t seem many giving a damn that he wasn’t picked there–there was some other guy named Manu drafted sometime in the draft if I remember correctly), among others. Kwame Brown may not be the 1st overall pick, but that wasn’t his fault. That’s Michael Jordan’s for selecting him there. Ditto with Jerry Krause for taking Eddy Curry @ 4th (and Tyson Chandler 2nd overall if you really want to go there). Curry has had a place in this league, but just not with the Knicks. He’s not been a terrible player; his contract makes him not really worth much to any team.

      I think the points you bring up are neither here nor there about busts. I can sit here and pick through the drafts of the last fifteen and pick about 10 to 20 more Senior busts who went through “4” years of the NCAA hype program. What good does that really do?

      If a HS kid came out, and was drafted low 1st round or in the 2nd round, then either that was their choice (it still is to a great extent regardless), or it just simply was not knowing how to make a quality choice. Life is filled with those kids, and you can’t save them all. It’s not the NBA’s fault Leon Smith took too many sleeping pills, or that Korleone Young thought he was a better player than he was. It’s not the NBA’s fault that Jonathan Bender had to retire due to severe knee issue’s at a very young age. The NBA can be blamed for a lot of things, but Jonathan Bender having knee problems is not one of them. Nor can the league be blamed for a player overdosing on sleeping pills.

      This issue is not about anything other than money period. It makes me wonder what exactly you’re proving by bringing Tim Tebow into a debate about basketball players in the first place. And, who exactly you’re working for.

  5. Oh yeah…I came across your blog Pookie while I was checking my stats and somebody found my blog while reading yours.

  6. To me it is different strokes for different folks.

    I think that going to Europe is good for the Kids that go. Sure Jennings could be pick #1,2 or 3 in the draft this year if he had gone to Arizona and torn up the NCAA. But would that have benefitted him as a player?

    In Europe he is playing against PROS! Several of whom have either played at the highest level of the NCAA or in the NBA. I do not think there is a comparison that can be made with regards to Europe and College.

    The top Euro leagues are better than the top College divisions hands-down no contest. Not only that but it puts these kids in a situation where they are being coached properly not hand-fed minutes and shot attempts. Helping to guide them into the best player they can be. And making some money at the same time. Not only that but Tyler is going to get his GED as well. It’s a no-brainer to me.

    AAU and NCAA has it’s place, I just agree with these kids who are going overseas. Education will ALWAYS be there. The opportunity to do what you love and make a living at it is fleeting at best.

    • Sellout, good points. I think the last line is really why I’m even commenting. The ability to make money at something you love IS FLEETING at best.

  7. Pookey, first off I want to say thanks for reading my blog and leaving your comment. I appreciate that. Secondly, although I respect your opinion I still don’t agree with it. The Tim Tebow thing, yes I know that we’re talking about basketball and not football, but I only bring that up to illustrate the benefits that the NCAA “hype machine” can have in getting an athlete a shot to play professionally leading to mega bucks in the pros. The NCAA promotes its star athletes about as well as any other sports organization I can think of.

    Yes, you’re correct at the end of the day the issue is about money. Any time a HS athlete jumps straight to the pros its ALWAYS about money. The competition aspect is secondary or in most cases an afterthought altogether. So the fact that Jeremy Tyler, his father, his uncle and even Sonny Vaccaro are trying to sell this as him wanting to face better competition is BS and that’s the problem that I have with this whole thing. Nobody’s stupid and it’s very easy to see through.

    The problem that I have with what kids like Brandon Jennings did and what Jeremy Tyler is about to do is they only see is the money aspect of it. What they don’t realize is these European ballclubs have no vested interest — and ulimately no reason — in playing these young American kids who will only be in their program for a year or in Tylers case two, over someone who’s been in their club program for a number of years. It doesn’t benefit them in the least. Arizona would’ve given Brandon Jennings the ball and let him go. Rick Pitino would’ve run the offense through Jeremy Tyler no question. Minutes, touches and the opportunity to play through your mistakes are what makes a players game better. Not inconsistent playing time and sitting and watching from the bench.

    There’s also no players union over there to look out for their contractual interests either. You hear the stories all the time about American’s who’ve played overseas who got paid late or in some cases never even got paid at all. It happened to Brandon Jennings! It’s like the wild west when it comes to that over there. Teams can pretty much do what they want.

    In your comment to me you said that Brandon Jennings only regret is not playing. Well, that’s something that’s unfortunately out of his hands. But if you look at his numbers when he did play, he didn’t do much in this time on the court. His numbers are frankly appalling and although they don’t reflect his level of talent, had he been allowed to go straight to the NBA his numbers wouldn’t have been much better. Now had he gone to college and played in Arizona’s system, he could’ve averaged 20ppg and we’d be looking at him as probably the 1st or 2nd PG taken in the June draft. So is Brandon Jennings going to be any better in the NBA next year having played against European pros for a year as opposed to Ty Lawson who played 3 years at UNC? Is Jeremy Tyler’s first year in the NBA going to be better because he played two years abroad as opposed to Blake Griffin who played two years at Oklahoma? In both cases, I doubt it.

    Basically, I’m just against any kid skipping college or dropping out of high school to play in Europe. The American guys that are playing over there now, most would tell you that they aren’t there because they want to be. They’re there because they have no other choice. The same perks that are written into these kids European contracts are also in their college letters of intent. And college players do get paid, don’t think for one second that they don’t. No it’s not millions of dollars, it’s also not legal either, but they do OK while they’re in school. Renardo Sidney decommitted from USC and just signed with Mississippi State today. I have personal, first hand knowledge that Mississippi State pays prospects and him signing that letter of intent amounts to what is essentially his first pro contract!

    Yes, the opportunity to do what you love and get paid for it is fleeting, but professional sports aren’t going anywhere. What’s the rush? Would you let your kid drop out of HS to play sports in a foreign country for two years? Sure it sounds glamorous, but ask Brandon Jennings and his family…they can’t wait to come home! Just because you make a decision that pays well doesn’t always mean its the right one.

    • Well first BC, I would like to thank you for reading my blog. I’m not sure if you’ve found it through Blog a Bull, or how you found it exactly, but it’s pretty cool someone outside StR found it. Always greatly appreciated. Now onto your points.

      Would I let my kid do it? I don’t know. It’s a tough decision for any kid to commit to. Your points about treatment and lack of playing time is important. I understand all that, but so should Jeremy Tyler. I don’t really see how he (or his father) don’t understand that is possible that one paycheck may be late or whatever. There are problems with the European system. I’m not stupid, or naive, to say they are.

      Here is something I can speak to. Unlike you BC (I’m guessing you’re from the Chicagoland area originally anyway), is that I am from California. The education system (similar to the Chicago public school system) is a joke. Jeremy Tyler, while being from a more affluent area of San Diego, is not exactly high end education. In this country today, there isn’t much difference between a high school senior’s education and a GED. To me, there is a sense of pragmatism that makes a good deal of sense. And, while I’m from Sacramento originally, I can understand any parent not trusting the education system in California. Besides all of that, there seems to be a plan with how this thing is proceeding. I don’t think Jeremy Tyler wasn’t expecting backlash. He knew it was coming.

      Jeremy Tyler is going to get exposed. Brandon Jennings didn’t realize HOW he was going to be exposed. He didn’t realize that’s why the NBA teams wanted to see him go over there. They were hoping it would make him more mature and in tune with the realities of the NBA. Or, at least, that’s what I’ve discerned and reading between the lines.

      Your point about kids getting payed in college under the table is one reason I have a problem with this whole deal. Why is that necessary? Because, that’s how this thing works. That doesn’t create an environment for educational value. That bothers me. I don’t blame the Renardo Sidney for taking the money. I would too. Especially when that environment of entitlement is given from day one.

      The development point I think is something that hurt Brandon Jennings. In a way. It also helped him because now he has to make the most of his minutes. Or, in theory it should. We shall see. I haven’t seen a single mock draft without Jennings in the top 10 despite the season. The poor stats, I suspect, hasn’t done much to his draft stock. How he plays in the Treviso camp will have everything to do with that.

      Wel, Brandon Jennings and his family can cry on the several million he has made despite the “ill advised” jump he made. I don’t feel sorry for him one bit. I wouldn’t mind to be paid to play professional basketball, along with a good endorsement contract (which is probably why he did it), in Rome. Maybe Jennings is homesick, but he might recognize one day there was more of an opportunity. I say that having been homesick for a while as a kid when I was in the service. I get the sentiment. I’m just wiser (by virtue of being older than Jennings), and I realize why the sentiment is mis-guided.

      This issue comes down to one important point. What does Jeremy Tyler want? Not what’s good for the kids of America. Most, if not almost all, would be benefitted by limited exposure to basketball. Jeremy Tyler is not every kid. He’s capable (along with his father and uncle) of making this decision for himself. If 5 kids a year start doing this, then I wonder. Of course, that’s probably what was said about the prep to pro jump in the mid 90’s when KG & KB24 did it too.

      Still, I can’t blame Kobe Bryant for jumping when he was ready just because Nbudi Ebi wasn’t. I think having an age limit is a joke, and frankly, un-american. I wish these kids had a better head on their shoulders, but honestly, nobody can force them to be intelligent. Most of these kids aren’t Grant Hill after all.

  8. No, actually I found your blog from checking my own blog stats one day. I blogged about Jeremy Tyler too and I guess at the bottom of your post where it shows similar posts, the link to mine showed up and someone clicked on it and got directed to my blog.

    • Ah okay, that makes sense. I like your blog for whatever it’s worth. I enjoyed the highlights you posted there the other day of the Bulls game 6 win. And, while Bill Simmons can be a douchebag, he’s absolutely right how great this series has been from an emotional roller coaster end.

      I found your blog by simply clicking on your name. And I don’t usually check on similar content, but I probably should.

      I did enjoy the civil back & forth. Hopefully we can do it on multiple topics.

  9. Works for me…

  10. […] This might be the most interesting tidbit of all to me. If Tyler signs with a less prestigous club (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Maccabi Tel Aviv, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos, CSKA Moscow to name 6), this could mean a lot of increased playing time, and a team getting a lot better where Maccabi Tel Aviv has traditionally been the only real team of significance regarding Europe. (It’s also the richest club in Israel. I know, shocking, right?) […]

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