Posted by: Kingsguru21 | May 9, 2010

More Derrick Favors propaganda

Last time I argued Cousins vs Favors, I left some things out (although I briefly discussed them) about how I see a potential DeMarcus Cousins and Derrick Favors fitting on the Kings front line. Part of this stems from this mini-argument I’ve had over at StR regarding this topic. (Difficult to imagine how this would have happened, right?)

Let’s say for a moment that Favors is more like Joakim Noah (a reasonable goal for Favors to shoot for–Dwight Howard wasn’t the Dwight Howard of today at 18 either) in 2 years.

Look at Joakim Noah’s core 2007 stats. Look at Favors core stats from this season. The big difference is the assists (naturally), and that GA Tech didn’t win a title. (Obviously.)

Needless to say that Noah was playing with better talent, but there’s also something else too: He was 21 at the time. Favors doesn’t even turn 19 until this July. (Yes, Favors is eligible to be drafted. The rule is you have to turn 19 in the calender year that you’re drafted. It also has to happen after a year after your HS class has graduated.)

Let’s say I see Cousins being more like an Al Jefferson (with better FT drawing capability) and Favors being a more athletic/younger Noah. I’ll take Favors every time all things being equal. There is 2 ends to the game, and in my humble opinion, Favors will add more because he’s efficient offensively (he is turnover prone) and is already an excellent versatile defender. Let me put it this way: Favors offense > Cousins defense.

Favors has Cousins on intangibles, and this isn’t really in dispute. Favors plays hard regardless of getting the ball being in his hands, and Cousins too often does not. Cousins is a guy who needs the ball a lot, has questionable shot selection, didn’t play a lot of minutes his freshman year at Kentucky (just under 24 MPG) and had some interesting moments that bring his character into question.

Right now the criticism of Favors is that he isn’t a reliable scorer down low. (Which is true.) That he needs G’s to set him up to score. (Probably true, but he didn’t exactly have great G’s at GA Tech.) Another criticism is that the fans don’t have patience to watch a project. (Uh, yeah. Fans also aren’t all that good about recognizing that moving the team forward means you have to take risks in getting better. Or, sometimes you can’t hold onto the past while holding onto the future. You can’t trade your 12th man for Dwight Howard for instance. Some fans don’t really understand that concept.)

The general criticisms of Cousins is that he has a poor attitude (unfortunately), has some conditioning issue’s (which is why he played less minutes than he should have), and has poor shot selection. (Just the fact that Cousins shot 6 3’s at Kentucky is disconcerting.)

Here are the strengths of Cousins: Has the size (and length) to play low post defense (I like that), but little else. (He’s not mobile like Favors is.) Rebounding wise, he’s also terrific. Offensively, he’s got all the low post moves. While Cousins is not a total plodder like Roy Hibbert, he’s probably better suited for the half court game. This may make the Warriors more antsy, or less depending on how you look at it. I see it being less of an issue for the Dubs, but that’s me.

Favors strengths go like this: Is mobile and versatile defensively. Favors is also active offensively by setting screens and going to spots. He might be a good (or very good to great) rebounder at the next level. He’ll be no worse than good at rebounding (IMO) based on his college numbers. (His rebounding is definitely not average or worse.) Favors is an open court player and will run the court.

Invariably, it will be mentioned both players shoot FT’s poorly. I don’t think it’s a big deal. Especially in Favors case, but even so in Cousins case.

One area that will get mentioned by the more astute(r?) observer is that Cousins gets to the FT line more than Favors. This is no doubt true. But Favors got to the line nearly 4 times a game, and that was without post moves or getting the ball as much as he should have.

One argument for Favors is that he’s used to playing a higher caliber of competition. You can check the game logs for Cousins & Favors and judge for yourself.

Now there is also how Cousins and Favors fit with their teammates. Cousins played with a F in Patrick Patterson who actually plays better on the perimeter than on the interior. His game actually compliments Cousins in ways that allowed Cousins to A) get the ball as often as he did and B) didn’t take shot attempts away from Cousins. Plus, Patterson is not a great board man (was pretty bad this past season truthfully) and that helped Cousins rebounding. Patterson is an efficient offensive player, and a versatile one. This allowed Cousins a lot of shots, and too many bad one’s. (Unfortunately.)

Favors played with Gani Lawal up front, and Lawal did similar type things as Favors inside. (Each guy hurt each other’s numbers truthfully.) But where Favors had to play on the perimeter (not his strength) with Lawal, Cousins simply could play where he was comfortable. Favors weaknesses were all on display, and rather than pout, he simply played through.

Simply put, Patterson fit Cousins very well. Lawal didn’t fit Favors game at all. When you factor the fact that Kentucky had 2 much better G’s in Eric Bledsoe and John Wall, I don’t think it’s hard to see how Cousins benefitted from an experienced (and more talented) teammates up front in Patterson, and the better talent in the backcourt. Anyone would really. That’s not Cousins fault, exactly, but I don’t see why Favors is being docked solely on numbers. Other than the rebounding, what is DeMarcus Cousins doing that is so incredibly incredible?

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These are just some of the problems I have with the criticisms.

As far as low post play, and I am considering this an issue moving forward, if you didn’t keep Carl Landry beyond next season, than I guess I could understand bringing in Cousins. But since Cousins really only brings defensive rebounding to the table (assuming he does that well at the NBA level) and could have conditioning issue’s moving forward (until the workouts happen this is pretty much moot), that means the Kings have to get better defensively on the interior using other method’s. I’m not saying it’s impossible or ridiculous to believe Cousins conditioning can’t improve, or that his defense can get better.

What I’m saying, though, that players don’t tend to get more mobile or more active as they get older. You’re either that way or you’re not. Favors is that way; Cousins isn’t. Is this one way to argue need over BPA? Sure, I guess. But Favors is not Hasheem Thabeet either. Look at Thabeet’s 2008-09 season at UConn. Then look at Favors again.

The point is simple: Favors is not that much of a project offensively to the point where you can’t give him the ball and expect no points. Favors is not Al Jefferson on the block, no doubt, but he’s also not Reggie Evans on the block either. This is the weakest area of the game for Favors, and yet he’s consistently being judged on this very area in comparison to Cousins.

Quite honestly, if the Kings don’t take a risk on a player like Favors, it’s going to be difficult (if not unlikely) that you’ll find someone who can impact the game defensively as Favors can. Yes, his offense isn’t that swell at the moment, but it’s also not like Favors needs to play like Dwight Howard Jr next year either. The Kings can afford to be patient with him especially if you believe Geoff Petrie about the Kings being patient and trying to build the Portland/OKC way. (I think, and have thought, that Petrie is trying to reach out to the lesser fans who aren’t nearly as aware as the upper echelon portion of the fanbase.) Favors fits into that approach in many ways.

I have a problem believing that Cousins will work seamlessly (and well) into the Kings system. He rebounds well, and is a low post threat any time he touches it. But he isn’t effective not playing without the ball, and he’s not Shaquille O’Neal either. (Shaq’s LSU stats are near the bottom.) Here’s a few facts about Shaq and his time at LSU: He was 17 for almost all of his freshman season. He was a significantly better rebounder than Cousins was. If you “pace adjusted per 40 minutes” Shaq’s stats from his sophomore & junior seasons, It likely would have looked like 35 & 18 boards for Shaq. (That’s Wilt Chamberlainish. With the exception that Shaq had to play with 3 seconds and goaltending. Wilt for the most part did not.) He was just that dominant at the college level. (He won the Player of the Year his sophomore season.) Shaq also played no less than 28 mins while at LSU, and that was his freshman season. Did I mention he was 17?

As I say, Cousins is not Shaq. Is he a load? Yes. Is he talented and skilled? Absolutely. Ignoring the rumors that Cousins is taking serious meds, I’m also going to point this out: I’m not criticizing Cousins for having personal problems. Plenty of players take meds that are probably similar to what Cousins takes. I’m not sure that’s a major issue in of itself. But Cousins also has issues with coaches, conditioning, he’s a ballhog in the literal sense, and he doesn’t always give his best effort. Additionally, he sometimes struggles against better competition.

These are all big red flags and no-no’s. I’d rather have Blake Griffin than Cousins. And, while I don’t dislike Griffin by any extent, I didn’t lobby against him heavily for trying to be different than the herd. I simply don’t believe he’s going to be a franchise player at the NBA level. If Blake Griffin is healthy, he’s going to be a multiple time all-star. He’s that talented, dedicated, and willing to do what it takes on the basketball court.

I have no such beliefs with regards to DeMarcus Cousins.

The thing is that the Kings already have Carl Landry. And, you can’t make a pick for next year because that’s what the fans want. If the fans got their way, the Kings would have taken John Wallace instead of Peja Stojakovic. (Just one instance.)

Another point is that Favors won’t help this team offensively. To this I cry: Horseshit! Favors can run the floor, he can get up with the best of ’em (like Landry), and can actually start the break by rebounding the friggin ball! (A novel concept I know.) Favors can also be a target for Evans when he drives to the basket in dump off’s and make teams think twice about packing the lane so often and frequently. It’s not like Favors drops passes like Lobster Claws Moore. (Mikki Moore in case you’re wondering. Hopefully not.)

With Cousins, Evans loses the ability to drive as much because setting up Cousins will be something he has to do. (With Landry around, I see this being far less important.)

I think a big part of Cousins appeal is to those who believe Tyreke Evans is too shot happy (I think he’s still figuring out the balance and will for awhile). I don’t think the Kings lack offensive weapons exactly, but I do think they lack offensive balance to make all their weapons work at premium efficiency. Part of that is the youth on the team (something that Favors Cousins will not help next season; or John Wall for that matter) and part of that is simple inexperience playing with each other. But next season. you won’t have an Omri Casspi struggling with the demands of the 82 game season. The coaching staff will have a full season to draw off and figure out how to work in the existing players. There will be more continuity available to the team regardless of adding players. (Which the Kings obviously need to do.)

Personally, I see Cousins being less of a target for Evans and more of a dump off option. That isn’t going to help Tyreke Evans learn how to keep teammates involved while being active with his scoring at the same time. Or, at least I don’t see that working out that way. Favors is a guy who sets picks (a lot of them) and will be a guy who can play the pick & roll game effectively next year once he figures out how to use all his different tools to his advantage.

You can’t teach the tools how to work. You either have the tools, and Favors has all of them, or you don’t got all the tools. He’s relatively tall (the combine will likely have him at 6’10 without shoes and a 7’2 wingspan–I’ve heard these numbers bandied about already and it sounds right), and also has a wide frame. People talk about how tall Favors is, but they also forget he’s wide for a kid his age. He already weights 245 lbs, and that’s what Spencer Hawes weights. Jason Thompson weights 250 lbs. Already Favors has the body that JT has but with so much more talent. (The fact that Favors is more than 4 years younger doesn’t hurt either.)

Favors may not have advanced post moves, but Landry does. Tyreke Evans game is going to the basket. Donte Greene has the ability, at some point, to score in the post. (Donte has that ability but quite hasn’t tapped it’s potential yet.) I don’t think the Kings are lacking what Cousins provides. And all things being equal, and I think a lot is equal at this moment, Favors is the better fit.

As it stands, John Wall, Evan Turner and DeMarcus Cousins had gaudy statistical seasons. They are the sexy picks that are on many folks mind. I don’t blame anyone for thinking that picking 1 of the aforementioned 3 would make the Kings better. Because when you have talent you can figure out ways to make it work.

But the problem I have with Wall & Turner is that both guys have their own set of weaknesses that match many of Tyreke Evans. If you’re asking Evans to play off the ball next season because you’re bringing in Wall or Turner, that’s going to be a difficult pill to swallow for Tyreke Evans regardless of what he says publicly or is quoted through sources privately. Wall is not as efficient in the half court as he is in the open court (which is the good news), but the bad news is that Wall doesn’t have a J either. Rookies who haven’t played a single game in the NBA don’t tend to develop those. Turner is in the same boat, although in his case he’s bigger and the argument there is that the Kings could run that big backcourt and make teams pick their choice on who to defend.

At this point, I think John Wall might be the best choice of the big names simply because he has the most talent. That doesn’t mean I think he’s the right choice.

One of the surprising things after looking at Favors and Cousins (and Wall & Turner to a lesser extent) is that when I look at Favors, and his strengths versus his weaknesses, I find his strengths and weaknesses work very will with the players the Kings currently have on the roster. When I look at Cousins strengths and weaknesses, I see very little he adds to the team other than “potential” defensive contributions and rebounding. Yes he’s a mis-match down low, but not against the best teams in the league. His size won’t be much help against Andrew Bynum for instance. Or Dwight Howard to name one other player. Or Kendrick Perkins. Or Anderson Varejao.

The NBA doesn’t have kids who are playing college ball for their last hurrah and getting a free education. They have professional players who are the best players at every level they’ve played at, and in many cases have already passed the tests that Cousins (or Favors) will be facing for the first time last season. In many cases, these guys have done it multiple times.

The NBA is no longer a league that caters to big men. It caters to perimeter players, and as such low post offensive players aren’t nearly as important as they were 15 years ago. (Or even 7-8 years ago.) This makes them less valuable, and in my opinion, less a focal point in building a team. Dwight Howard is one of the best offensive low post players, and many people consider him to be very limited in terms of actual “offensive” moves. The problem for Dwight, though, is that he doesn’t have time to be the Al Jefferson circus of dazzling post moves. The double teams come way too quickly for that.

That’s another point: Double teams. Regardless of whom the Kings take, dealing with NBA double teams is not a simple task. Until you experience it a lot, it’s going to be uncomfortable until you figure it out. Every great player handles this differently. Favors might eventually see them every game. Cousins will see them a lot because he’s a poor passer out of double teams already and teams will do it just to get the ball out of his hands and force it to a lesser perimeter guy.

I’m not of the opinion that the Kings need the biggest name or what many see as the best individual talent. I don’t really know what that means to be truthful. I’m not of the opinion that if the Kings pass up Evan Turner or DeMarcus Cousins to take Derrick Favors, they will suddenly regret it if Favors puts up All-Star numbers and Turner/Cousins emerge as 1st ballot Hall of Famers. It’s rarely that simple or easy. If it was, you wouldn’t have teams put millions of dollars, thousands of hours, and scout single guys for years just to figure this stuff out.

I would like to believe I’m enlightened enough to tell you all this, but the truth is that most of the readers reading this already know what I just said in the last paragraph.

A lot of the dissent comes to these factors:

1) Belief in the roster before the draft picks: I probably have more belief in the Kings improving with age and maturity than some of the older StR folks at this point.
2) Taking Favors over Cousins if only because I’m not greatly swayed by Cousins numbers at UK. I also think most Kings fans are, and should take stock of them. I think many see Favors and being about upside than how players play. I see it differently: I don’t think you take Favors because he may develop; I think you take Favors because he makes the team significantly better defensively while not sacrificing the ability to score on the other end.
3) I don’t care about glitz or high profile players. I especially don’t care how the Kings look to the public or national media afterwords.

On #1: I understand this point, and I’m not throwing it aside. Like last year, however, you have a draft deep with bigs and various skill sets among them at that. The Kings are not likely to take an impact player up front for a long time if they do not pick one from this draft.

That is the biggest reason I’m against Turner and Wall (and to a lesser extent Wesley Johnson–although I don’t think the Kings will end up taking him anyway so this is probably moot) at this point. For all the things Tyreke Evans doesn’t do, he does a lot of things that duplicate what make Turner and Wall special players. And then ego’s come into play.

Speaking of ego’s, let’s bring that into the equation too. A lot of people say: ” I don’t give a damn. It’s their job to play together and make them play together goddammit.” I get this: You don’t want a Steve Francis forcing his way out of Vancouver situation happening to the Kings. And, again, up to a point I agree with an analysis. The problem is that the Grizzlies were A) a terribly run organization and B) you can’t make the Canadian tax argument even with noting California’s high taxes. The biggest difference between living in California, and say Utah or Texas, is cost of living; not taxes. Since living in a place as desirable as LA (I don’t get it but 20 million people disagree with me on that one), or even the Bay Area, and Sacramento to a lesser extent, California is a very nice place to be. Most players tend to gravitate towards where they’re from or where they have friends/associates in. Charles Barkely continues to live in Phoenix. Kenny Smith often talks up the NYC angle up (Smith is from Brooklyn), but he lives in LA now. Chris Webber actually bought a house in Atlanta, and also owns one in Detroit too. (He also owns his home in Granite Bay if I’m not mistaken.) The whole point of this mini-diatribe is to point out that Steve Francis is mostly an idiot, and probably didn’t want to be involved with a dumb franchise like the Grizzlies.

That doesn’t mean, though, that even if players accept their roles on the outside, they will play well. On the surface, I agree with the BPA agreement. The problem: It’s never that simple or easy. The Michael Jordan example not being picked by Portland is often trotted out, but let me ask this simple question: Does Michael Jordan, the Michael Jordan on Nike commercials, in Gatorade bottles, and all over Hanes underwear; does that Michael Jordan emerge in Portland? Does the guy who bitched and moaned about glory and everything else in Chicago, in his 7th season, share the ball and the glory well with Clyde Drexler? Does Portland deal with the circus and the complaining of a Jordan, or do they finally give in? Do the Blazers end up trading Drexler or Jordan because they’re fed up trying to make 2 ego-maniacal Hall of Famers work together in a backcourt when both guy is trying to do it for themselves?

Before you go whoa, what’s wrong with you? Well, I happen to think Stu Inman knew what he was doing. Perfect he was not, but then again Stu Inman was human. And like all humans, he suffers from a common ailment: Lacking perfection. He made mistakes, and enough that his legacy is probably not that strong outside of Portland. Let me remind you of Inman’s better moments (and lesser one’s too I suppose):

* Built the 77 Blazer title team
* Drafted & ultimately Traded Bill Walton away
* Got Maurice Lucas in the ABA dispersal draft by trading Geoff Petrie
* Managed to snag Moses Malone (yes I know) from the ABA at the same time (but he traded Malone away to the Rockets–Inman was really star crossed I swear)
* Drafted Calvin Natt and Jim Paxson (Paxson was the guy who ended up drafting LeBron James) who were B-level All-Stars in the early 80’s
* Hired Jack Ramsey to coach the Blazer teams (and worked with Ramsey for a decade before both left in 1986–in no part due to what happened with Jordan)
* Drafted Clyde Drexler
* Drafted Terry Porter

This is just off the top of my head. I’m hardly a Stu Inman aficionado. What I do know is that when you do the job as long as Inman did, and you make a mistake, people remember the simple things like passing up Michael Jordan. But, there were other things too: Like not taking Charles Barkley for instance. I think that is the bigger mistake, but that’s just my opinion. At least Barkely would have helped the Blazers up front with rebounding and scoring. I don’t know if that Blazer team ever wins a title or not, but Barkley never won with the Sixers or Suns (or Rockets). Drexler was lucky to win his ring with the Rockets at the right time in 1995. But the Blazers ultimately made 2 Finals when Adelman and Petrie were running things (for awhile).

Either way, very few people today know who Stu Inman is. Most casual sports fans have heard of the Blazers passing up on Jordan. I don’t know what the truth is, but the reality is that Jordan went 3rd overall in 1984. There were 4 landmark players from that draft: Jordan, Barkley, Hakeem Olajuwon and Stockton. Olajuwon went 1st overall (and was considered the prize of the draft at the time), Barkely went 5th overall, and Stockton was taken 16th. Amongst the 4, Stockton had the slowest start to his career. One could argue that Stockton was the 2nd best player of this group, but I think Olajuwon is still better than Stockton. (Not that Stock wasn’t great. He was.)

When fighting history, I’ve always found it’s easy to discount circumstances, and revise history to someting of your own choosing. Affer all, if only the stupid Trail Blazers would have had Michael Jordan! Michael Jordan! Did you hear me motherfucker? Michael motherfucking all universe Jordan!

John Wall isn’t Michael Jordan. Neither is Evan Turner or for that matter, neither is LeBron James. Or Kobe Bryant. Since Bryant is a 1st ballot Hall of Famer, and if LeBron retired today he would be too, I think that’s saying something.

John Wall is an incredible talent. Hell, so is Turner, Cousins and Favors. These kids have talent. That’s why most mock drafts have all 4 of them (with virtually all of them having Wall-Turner 1-2) in the top 4 of these mock drafts.

The argument, though, is what makes the Kings a championship team. And, Michael Jordan didn’t make the Bulls a championship team by his lonesome. They weren’t even a 500 team until their 4th season which, coincidentally, came when Horace Grant and Scottie Pippen arrived. (Also, Jordan put up 35 PPG a night and was ungodly that year.)

The answer is deep within your soul. (From what I hear, the Devil is charging 10 bucks to unlock the information. Supposedly this is to make up for the lack of income from the Bush administration.)

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We can all argue over what’s more important. Personally I believe mid range jump shots are totally fine as long as the defense is giving you the shot and the offense is balanced.

I believe that having a dribble drive game to the basket is as important as a post up game. Not more or less.

I think you need to be able to play defense, rebound, and get on the break if you have talent that plays that way.

Shooting 3’s is a good thing when you’re a good shooter and it’s within the rhythm of the offense.

I prefer up tempo to halfcourt ball, but it’s nice to be able to do both.

I’m not a fan of a player stepping back from a long 2 to take a 3. As inefficient as long 2’s are in theory, in reality sometimes taking them allows you to balance the floor and makes defense work harder.

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You need to find a core of 8 or 9 guys that compliment and play off each other. You need to have 2 or 3 stars that your team is built around and revolve around them. (Tyreke Evans is 1 star.) This Kings team has pieces. It has 2 draft picks in this draft to get 2 more players. The possibility to trade for a player or sign one in Free Agency this summer.

Yet, I don’t see a player out there on the horizon like Favors, and the only opportunity to get him would be this draft. Quite honestly, that makes him even more valuable than a John Wall or Evan Turner. Or at least to me it does.

You may now tune back to your John Wall/Evan Turner/DeMarcus Cousins propaganda.

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  1. “Let’s say I see Cousins being more like an Al Jefferson (with better FT drawing capability) and Favors being a more athletic/younger Noah. I’ll take Favors every time all things being equal. There is 2 ends to the game, and in my humble opinion, Favors will add more because he’s efficient offensively (he is turnover prone) and is already an excellent versatile defender. Let me put it this way: Favors offense > Cousins defense.”

    I have a feeling this is at least part of the recap I was asking of “Efficiency for Efficiency’s Sake,” if it is, thank you. If it is not, you cannot convince me so, because I still haven’t read it, so thanks anyway.

    “Other than the rebounding, what is DeMarcus Cousins doing that is so incredibly incredible?”

    Well, for me it was this statement from draftexpress.com:

    “#1 in PER (actually ranking #1 in the last 8 years in that category), Points per-40 minutes pace adjusted, rebounds per-40p, field goals made and second in free throw attempts, Cousins has answered his many critics by going out and producing in unbelievable fashion.”

    As you have pointed out, these numbers don’t mean a damn thing if Cousins can’t get up and down the floor 3 times without grabbing his shorts. Again, we will have to see the workouts. Name one player that had any conditioning issues or concerns that GP has taken. It doesn’t happen.

    I am starting to come around on Favors, though. I am sure part of it is because I am watching more D Howard these days and I get all starry eyed at the thought of having a bouncy defensive minded giant patrolling the paint for us. But I am also sure that part of it is just some good old school brainwashing by you, Pookey. Another reason though, is that I recently realized just how close in size Favors is to how big Howard was, when he was 18. Favors is a grown-ass-man today. He has to weigh about 260 or so in a few years, yes? If he can do that and keep his bounce, his athleticism, wow. That could be fun.

    Last year’s draft buildup was interesting to me, because I argued (at least with myself) that GP would not take someone like Rubio or Evans because they did not fit his prototype. I had never known GP to take a high draft pick who did not already possess certain attributes: the ability to shoot, pass and dribble, but mainly shoot. I thought that Tyreke’s and Rubio’s jumpers were too suspect for GP. You can bring up Gerald Wallace, who was the exception to this, but he was drafted 25th, not exactly HIGH in my book. The point is, GP rarely values athleticism over basketball skill. I do see Cousins as the more skilled player at this point, but I also feel like last year’s draft, and the high slots where we are drafting these days, changes the approach for GP a bit. But, does he spend a #3-#6 draft pick on a guy who can’t shoot, pass or dribble very well? None of us know, but history has suggests no.

    How these guys measure in the “combine” will tell me some things I want to know. I’ll be interested in comparing wingspans and vertical jumps. And I’m talking about wingspan measurements without shoes on!

    Anyway, Ricky Rubio is on NBA TV today at 1, I gotta’ go fix my hair.

  2. Excellent post, pookey…but of course, easy for me to say that when I already agree with you about Favors.

    I’m most struck by the mobility point…big men never get faster as they age(or at least, i can’t think of one example) so this is a VERY important issue that can’t be stressed enough:the NBA is full of tales of big men with slow feet…

    The other way around?eh….not so much.

    & Mr. favors is already a grown-ass man.The kind i can really see clogging the paint in a King’s uniform.

    • Yup this is my feelings as well.

    • You know, Rhondda, the thought of Cousins dragging his slow feet around Arco concerns me too. He also seems like the guy who is always just a teeny bit late on a weakside rotation. I’m really glad I am not the one who has to pick between these two bigs.

      • Hi Ho Geoff Petrie. Even he of the senile kind…..

  3. Kobe’s a hall of famer alright…a hall of famer who looks like this:

    http://msofficer.com/2010/05/14/queen-kobe/

    http://twitter.com/msofficer


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