Posted by: Kingsguru21 | September 3, 2011

Looking at some historical numbers: Forwards

Onto the Forwards of the Kings universe. I think the obvious names will appear in some categories, and maybe not as many obvious one’s in others. Note: This is being done by B-Ref’s break of positions and not necessarily mine.

As always this will be broken down by a 1000 minutes to get a fair swath of which players did what. The 2 lists are here.

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TS% ORtg DRtg USG% TOV% DRB% WinShare
# 1 Peja Stojakovic (62.4%%) Peja Stojakovic (120) Chris Webber (96) Chris Webber (31.6%) Peja Stojakovic (8.2%) DeMarcus Cousins (24.4%) Peja Stojakovic (13.5)
# 2 Mark Olberding (61.8%) Otis Thorpe (119) Chris Webber (97) Chris Webber (30.4%) Francisco Garcia (8.1%) Chris Webber (24.2%) Chris Webber (11)
# 3 Otis Thorpe (61.7%) Lawrence Funderburke (117) Keon Clark (97) Chris Webber (30.1%) Peja Stojakovic (8.2%) Michael Smith (23.9%) Chris Webber (10.7)
# 4 Otis Thorpe (60%) Peja Stojakovic (117) Chris Webber (98) Chris Webber (29%) Lawrence Funderburke (8.6%) Chris Webber (23.6%) Peja Stojakovic (10.1)
# 5 Peja Stojakovic (60%) Peja Stojakovic (117) Chris Webber (98) Chris Webber (28.2%) Peja Stojakovic (8.9%) Chris Webber (22.1%) Peja Stojakovic (10.1)
# 6 Peja Stojakovic (59.2%) Darius Songalia (116) Chris Webber (98) Walt Williams (27.7%) Wayman Tisdale (9%) Chris Webber (21.8%) Peja Stojakovic (9.9)
# 7 Shareef AbdurRahim (58.8%) Shareef AbdurRahim (115) Hedo Turkoglu (100) Wayman Tisdale (27.4%) Terry Tyler (9%) Kenny Thomas (21.2%) Otis Thorpe (9)
# 8 Peja Stojakovic (58.4%) Peja Stojakovic (115) Peja Stojakovic (101) DeMarcus Cousins (27.4%) Wayman Tisdale (9.1%) Chris Webber (21.1%) Chris Webber (8.6)
# 9 Ed Pinckney (58.3%) Rodney McCray (114) Peja Stojakovic (102) Antoine Carr (27.2%) Danny Ainge (11%) Wayman Tisdale (20.8%) Otis Thorpe (8.1)
# 10 Francisco Garcia (57.6%) Otis Thorpe (114) Hedo Turkoglu (102) Eddie Johnson (26.6%) Hedo Turkoglu (9.3%) Otis Thorpe (20.8%) Rodney McCray (7.9)

Now that we have a table for some advanced stats, I thought I’d go through some more basic stats to put some of this stuff in perspective. With regards to Cousins, he’s often listed as a PF even though I personally disagree with that. Here’s a list that puts his rookie season in context overall with regards to his DRB%.

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PTS AST BLK FGA / FG% FTA / FT% 3PA / 3PT% MP / Games
Number 1 Peja Stojakovic (1964) Rodney McCray (377) Keon Clark (150) Chris Webber (1635 / 48.1%) Otis Thorpe (609 / 75.5%) Peja Stojakovic (554 / 43.3%) Peja Stojakovic (3264 / 81)
Number 2 Chris Webber (1898) Chris Webber (364) Lionel Simmons (132) Chris Webber (1548 / 48.3%) Otis Thorpe (543 / 76.1%) Peja Stojakovic (433 / 40.2%) Rodney McCray (3238 / 82)
Number 3 Chris Webber (1834) Chris Webber (345) Chris Webber (128) Chris Webber (1433 / 46.1%) Chris Webber (461 / 70.3%) Peja Stojakovic (406 / 38.2%) Otis Thorpe (3072 / 82)
Number 4 Wayman Tisdale (1758) Lionel Simmons (337) Chris Webber (118) Peja Stojakovic (1386 / 48%) Corliss Williamson (397 / 63%) Nick Anderson (443 / 33.2%) Lionel Simmons (2978 / 79)
Number 5 Otis Thorpe (1704) Walt Williams (516) Brian Grant (116) Wayman Tisdale (1383 / 48%) Lionel Simmons (435 / 73.6%) Peja Stojakovic (360 / 40%) Otis Thorpe (2956 / 82)
Number 6 Antoine Carr (1551) Lionel Simmons (315) Terry Tyler (108) Eddie Johnson (1311 / 47.5%) Reggie Theus (425 / 92.7%) Mitch Richmond (310 / 41.6%) Wayman Tisdale (2937 / 79)
Number 7 Otis Thorpe (1547) Lionel Simmons (312) Brian Grant (103) Eddie Johnson (1309 / 46.3%) Ron Artest (415 / 74%) Walt Williams (296 / 34.8%) Peja Stojakovic (2905 / 75)
Number 8 Chris Webber (1542) Lionel Simmons (305) Antoine Carr (101) Lionel Simmons (1301/ 42.2%) Chris Webber (414 / 75.1%) Harold Pressley (295 / 40.3%) Lionel Simmons (2895 / 81)
Number 9 Eddie Johnson (1530) Chris Webber (294) Chris Webber (89) Antoine Carr (1228 / 51.1%) Mitch Richmond (402 / 68.7%) Mitch Richmond (289 / 39.1%) Chris Webber (2880 / 75)
Number 10 Peja Stojakovic (1529) Rodney McCray (293) Chris Webber (88) Otis Thorpe (1226 / 50.7%) Wayman Tisdale (391 / 78.3%) Peja Stojakovic (267 / 37.5%) Chris Webber (2836 / 70)

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Now onto some bullet points before moving on to the historical numbers side of the Centers.

* Chris Webber took a lot of shots. Whether that hurt his TS% with Sacramento (I think it did), it may have helped others like Peja Stojakovic, Doug Christie and Scot Pollard perhaps not take shots they weren’t accustomed. While I’m not a fan of Chris Webber’s overall career (and think he’s a bit overrated by Kings fans), there is definitely a shade of grey here that makes it difficult to judge exactly how brilliant Webber’s career exactly was in a Kings uniform. It’s pretty obvious that Webber, and Stojakovic for that matter, are likely the 2 best F’s to ever play for the Kings in the Sacramento era up to this point.
* Speaking of Mr. Peja Stojakovic, if Webber was the inefficient shot jacker, Stojakovic was the exceptionally efficient sniper. Are there places for both? I think so. Stojakovic, however, showed why he was such an effective player for many years with these 2 tables (he doesn’t figure prominently solely because he played on quality teams–Peja Stojakovic is one of the 5 best players to have played for the Sac era Kings team).
* DeMarcus Cousins could easily have 3,4 5 or more seasons in Free Throw Attempts. Whether it’s because he’s that good or this list is not chock full of Hall of Famers will likely be up to each individual. Either way, the fact is Cousins has a great chance at becoming high on these lists because he has the talent.
* I do think this list illustrates how easily forgotten Eddie Johnson is in terms of quality scorers in the Kings franchise. (His other full season in a Kings uni in Sacramento is 11th all time in total points scored.) On a side note, and as Jerry Reynolds pointed out in his bright breezy memoir, Eddie Johnson did lead the 85-86 Kings in total points and average.
* I personally don’t find it surprising to see Francisco Garcia in a few of these categories. He’s neither as bad as some say he is or probably as effective as the Kings were hoping when they signed him to an extension in 2008.
* I think Rodney McCray and Otis Thorpe are being forgotten by younger fans because they simply don’t remember either’s time with the Kings in the 80’s. Which is a shame on a number of counts.

Overall, I think you can see what players did what well and what not so well. I think my personal favorite random player in this mix is Terry Tyler and his low TOV% he had for the first full season in a Kings uni. I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry at all the possessions Walt Williams used. Especially when all he did was that left to right crossover that my grandmother claims is haunting her dreams. (Okay not really, but I’m just saying yanno?)

The Center list should be out in a few days.

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